Well, that's one way of looking at it. Timothy Snyder:

We no longer need to wonder what it would be like to lose a war on our own territory. We just lost one to Russia, and the consequence was the election of Donald Trump. The war followed the new rules of the 21st century, but its goal was the usual one of political change.

The greatest student of war, Carl von Clausewitz, defined war as "an act of force to compel our enemy to do our will." In his own time, the 19th century, force meant battle: "there is only one means in war: combat." Combat is not war, but a means to win a war, to impose one's will.

But what if the enemy's will can be altered without the blood and treasure of military engagement? If that were true, then a country with a smaller military budget, like Russia, might beat one with a better army, like America.

That just happened, and we are still wiping our eyes in foggy denial.

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8 responses to “Losing the war”

  1. Bob-B Avatar
    Bob-B

    It’s not really clear that Putin is going to benefit much from having Trump in the White House any more than he is going to benefit from having control Crimea and the Donbas. He’s good at surprising western democracies and getting headlines, but it is not really clear how he benefits from these things.

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  2. Fred Z Avatar
    Fred Z

    The victory of Trump and the Republicans had nothing to do with Russia, which, if anything, spent more money and effort successfully suborning Clinton and Obama.
    Remember the $500,000.00 for uranium deal? https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0.
    Remember Obama telling President Dmitri Medvedev of Russia “I’ll have more flexibility after the election”?http://www.snopes.com/obama-more-flexibility-russia/
    The Trumpian victory was the result of voters being fed up with violent, lying, thieving, traitorous, shitweasels of the left, but I repeat myself, including the egregious Timothy Snyder.

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  3. Billy Whiz Avatar
    Billy Whiz

    Putin (not Russia or its people, but Putin) benefits immensely if the West is divided and weakened. Pax Americana and the patchwork of international institutions and agreements that grew around it were a net good for most of the world’s people. Not so helpful for ambitious dictators though.
    But now, Vlad gets to be the man on horseback with minimal interference, and Trump gets to build a wall to hide America behind. Everybody wins. Except for people everyhere…

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  4. Hal Avatar
    Hal

    Hmm, Fred, just (re-)read the item about Obama and Medvedev and I’m finding it hard to see anything sinister. Unlike the whole Assange-Manafort-Flynn (-Putin) business last year. The “Trumpian victory” was an electoral fluke, not much more. Trump lost the popular vote by the biggest margin for an electoral college victor in US history, over 5 times the margin Bush lost to Gore in 2000. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin Some 78,000 votes in 3 states (Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin) would have shifted the election to Clinton. So please don’t spout any nonsense about “fed up” voters… beyond a few (key) rural and rust-belt regions of the above-mentioned states.
    I was hoping that the gravitas of the presidential office and appointment of qualified officials (as happened with Reagan and Bush or even Nixon) would bring the Trump presidency into line with the mainstream of Republican history, but that hasn’t happened. So far it’s been an utter disaster. Putin seems to have gotten his money’s worth.

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  5. Gene Avatar
    Gene

    If you’re determined to echo the popular idea that Trump is a Putin puppet who is tearing asunder the wondrous foreign policy victories of his predecessor, you’re going to have to refute these two arguments:
    http://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/02/24/trump-isnt-sounding-like-a-russian-mole/
    http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/222057/obama-putin-trump-mideast

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  6. Hal Avatar
    Hal

    Sorry, Gene, you’ll have to do better.
    I never was a great fan of Obama’s foreign policies and have said so often, but you seem to like the Trump technique of putting (entirely invented) words into other people’s mouths… which you can then – triumphantly! – refute.
    On the other hand, I shouldn’t have to quote your hero’s innumerable attacks on NATO (how’s this from a strong rightwing source? http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-calls-nato-obsolete-and-predicts-more-countries-will-leave-eu/article/2611934) to guess that Putin has probably ok’ed a few bonuses for his cyberwarriors.

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  7. Bob-B Avatar
    Bob-B

    Ronald Reagan has statues in Eastern Europe as a result of his opposition to Russian imperialism. Trump looks as if he is hoping for a statue in Russia as a result of his support for Russian imperialism.

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  8. Hal Avatar
    Hal

    BTW, I’m not suggesting that Trump has a firm or coherent pro-Putin policy. As we are learning (in case we didn’t already know), Trump doesn’t have a coherent policy on anything, except perhaps women’s vaginas and his abhorrence of “losers” (it’s now somehow the fault of the Congressional minority of Democrats’ that his “repeal” of Obamacare collapsed). There’s no shame – indeed, often great honour – in changing one’s mind when it’s made on the basis of facts… but not the “alternative” variety.

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