I can’t quite work out if Matthew Parris has his tongue in his cheek here:

Why do women leave lavatory seats in the “down” position? I am getting increasingly fed up with this inconsiderate behaviour. Hygiene and common sense dictate that “up” should be the default option and everyone should leave the seat lifted, to keep it unsplashed next time. Public toilets should have sprung seats, returning automatically to up.

I don’t think so though: it’s not Parris’ style. Maybe the Times’ editor wanted something controversial to boost the letters page. I doubt he’ll be disappointed.

I lost the argument long ago chez Hartley. Seat down looks better. The main point though, surely, is that it’s polite to cater for the likely next user, and in a mixed household, with women always having the seat down, and men sometimes having the seat down, it’s seat down that wins.

Also, I think, women resent having to lower the seat when they know that any splashes on it will have come from men.

I’ve no idea why Parris thinks seat up is more hygienic, unless they’re in the habit chez Parris of not bothering to raise the seat when they stagger in for a piss in the middle of the night.

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8 responses to “Up or Down?”

  1. chris Avatar

    There’s a surprising amount of economic research on this question. Under certain parameters (which ignore the aesthetic merits of having the seat down), “seat up” is Pareto-efficient. I’ve linked here:
    http://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com/stumbling_and_mumbling/2006/12/game_theory_and.html

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  2. Tim Worstall Avatar

    Err, could there be any connection with the Parris household being all male?

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  3. dearieme Avatar
    dearieme

    The key thing is not to leave the lid down, for that can lead to nasty accidents in the middle of the night.

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  4. DaninVan Avatar
    DaninVan

    Parris is all wet. If he’d ever, in a drunken stupour or sleep groggy, sat on the cold china, dunking his ass in the water, while attempting to use it for the other event, he’d appreciate the wisdom of the ‘seat-down’ advocates.

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  5. Mick H Avatar
    Mick H

    Tim – yes indeed. Plus the poor man, used to male-only living, is naively unaware of how strongly women feel about this. Not for much longer, though, I imagine.

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  6. Dom Avatar
    Dom

    “it’s polite to cater for the likely next user”
    And the likely next use. Everybody wants the seat down sometimes.

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  7. DaninVan Avatar
    DaninVan

    Re Chris’s ref. to Pareto’s Law; won’t apply, every toilet seat has it’s own set of conditions. Eg. a family of four; husband, wife, and two daughters…
    See where I’m goin’ with this?
    Actually, with a wife, the ‘discussion’ ends there. 😉

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  8. Richard Dell Avatar
    Richard Dell

    I make a point of avoiding the effete Parris. On the topic, I have retaliated by insisting on having the lid down in my house – after all, what is it there for? I suggest all real men do the same.

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